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		<title>By: Bloggger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloggger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!</description>
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		<title>By: Pancaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pancaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M no expert basicly a Indian civilian but yes your idea makes a lot of sense cause working at the grass roots and building friendly relations along with infastuctur and winning over the political locals at the grass roots is truly one of the best ways to win or at least slow down violence. it some what the strategy used by us to cope up with the violence created by naxals at least it seems to be the idea to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M no expert basicly a Indian civilian but yes your idea makes a lot of sense cause working at the grass roots and building friendly relations along with infastuctur and winning over the political locals at the grass roots is truly one of the best ways to win or at least slow down violence. it some what the strategy used by us to cope up with the violence created by naxals at least it seems to be the idea to me.</p>
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		<title>By: 357</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>support of the population is critical. I say it is India, with their biological warfar intruding our
lives.  I would like information on the purchase of warfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>support of the population is critical. I say it is India, with their biological warfar intruding our<br />
lives.  I would like information on the purchase of warfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom the Redhunter</title>
		<link>http://freerangeinternational.com/blog/?p=904#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom the Redhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post, Tim.  Keep up the great work. You seem to have an excellent understanding of what the problems are in Afghanistan.  Hope you don&#039;t mind if I lend a bit of academic backing to what you say.  Not from me, mind you, but then-Lt. Gen. David Petreaus.

In October of 2005 Petraeus returned from his second tour in Iraq to take command of the Combined Arms Center (CAC) at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.  He took charge of the team that was writing what would eventually become the &lt;em&gt;&gt;U.S. Army / Marine Corps Counterinsurgency Field Manual 3-24&lt;/em&gt;, released on December 15, 2006.

FM 3-24 revolutionized how we fought the war in Iraq.   The 5 additional surge brigades to bolster the existing 15 in Iraq weren&#039;t just sent to do the same thing; there was a radical change in strategy.   No more were we going to stay on our bases and only head out on raids (oversimplified but generally accurate).  We moved our troops off the bases to live among the people (again oversimplified but generally accurate).  We stopped &quot;commuting to work.&quot;

Not only did this lead to a more successful prosecution of the war, &lt;em&gt;it also made our troops safer&lt;/em&gt;.    Here is one of the key insights from 3-24:

&lt;blockquote&gt;1-149 SOMETIMES, THE MORE YOU PROTECT YOUR FORCE, THE LESS SECURE YOU MAY BE. Ultimate success in COIN (counterinsurgency) is gained by protecting the populace, not the COIN force. If military forces remain in their compounds, they lose touch with the people, appear to be running scared, and cede the initiative to the insurgents. Aggressive saturation patrolling, ambushes, and listening post operations must be conducted, risk shared with the populace, and contact maintained...These practices endure access to the intelligence needed to drive operations. Following them reinforces the connections with the populace that help establish real legitimacy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In other words, get off the bases and be among the people.  Get to know them personally.   Know your area of operations backwards and forwards; economics, religious sects, clans, tribes, ancient rivalries, who owns every store and shop, what holidays the celebrate and how, who the village/clan/tribal leaders are, local politics, on and on.  Yes kinetics are important.  It&#039;s just that alone firepower cannot win.

Petraeus&#039; team wrote about just this in FM 3-24

&lt;blockquote&gt;7-7 ...Effective commanders know the people, topography, economy, history, and culture of their area of operations (AO). They know every village, road, field, population group, tribal leader, and ancient grievance within it...

7-8 Another part of analyzing a COIN (counterinsurgency) mission involves assuming responsibility for everyone in the AO. This means that leaders feel the pulse of the local populace, understand their motivations and care about what they want and need. Genuine compassion and empathy for the population provide an effective weapon against insurgents. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can&#039;t do this if your emphasis is on &quot;force protection,&quot; and indeed as stated above such an emphasis is counterproductive, as counterintuitive as that may sound.    Now, I understand that it&#039;s easy for me to sit here and type these words, never having served myself.  And I&#039;m not an original thinker here; all I&#039;m doing is relaying what other more learned and experienced men and women have said.

Earning the trust of the people is critical to beating an insurgency.  As Lt. Col. (Dr.) David Kilcullen wrote in FM 3-24

&lt;blockquote&gt;A-60 ...Whatever else is done, the focus must remain on gaining and maintaining the support of the population. With their support, victory is assured; without it, COIN efforts cannot succeed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My .02</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post, Tim.  Keep up the great work. You seem to have an excellent understanding of what the problems are in Afghanistan.  Hope you don&#8217;t mind if I lend a bit of academic backing to what you say.  Not from me, mind you, but then-Lt. Gen. David Petreaus.</p>
<p>In October of 2005 Petraeus returned from his second tour in Iraq to take command of the Combined Arms Center (CAC) at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.  He took charge of the team that was writing what would eventually become the <em>&gt;U.S. Army / Marine Corps Counterinsurgency Field Manual 3-24</em>, released on December 15, 2006.</p>
<p>FM 3-24 revolutionized how we fought the war in Iraq.   The 5 additional surge brigades to bolster the existing 15 in Iraq weren&#8217;t just sent to do the same thing; there was a radical change in strategy.   No more were we going to stay on our bases and only head out on raids (oversimplified but generally accurate).  We moved our troops off the bases to live among the people (again oversimplified but generally accurate).  We stopped &#8220;commuting to work.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only did this lead to a more successful prosecution of the war, <em>it also made our troops safer</em>.    Here is one of the key insights from 3-24:</p>
<blockquote><p>1-149 SOMETIMES, THE MORE YOU PROTECT YOUR FORCE, THE LESS SECURE YOU MAY BE. Ultimate success in COIN (counterinsurgency) is gained by protecting the populace, not the COIN force. If military forces remain in their compounds, they lose touch with the people, appear to be running scared, and cede the initiative to the insurgents. Aggressive saturation patrolling, ambushes, and listening post operations must be conducted, risk shared with the populace, and contact maintained&#8230;These practices endure access to the intelligence needed to drive operations. Following them reinforces the connections with the populace that help establish real legitimacy.</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, get off the bases and be among the people.  Get to know them personally.   Know your area of operations backwards and forwards; economics, religious sects, clans, tribes, ancient rivalries, who owns every store and shop, what holidays the celebrate and how, who the village/clan/tribal leaders are, local politics, on and on.  Yes kinetics are important.  It&#8217;s just that alone firepower cannot win.</p>
<p>Petraeus&#8217; team wrote about just this in FM 3-24</p>
<blockquote><p>7-7 &#8230;Effective commanders know the people, topography, economy, history, and culture of their area of operations (AO). They know every village, road, field, population group, tribal leader, and ancient grievance within it&#8230;</p>
<p>7-8 Another part of analyzing a COIN (counterinsurgency) mission involves assuming responsibility for everyone in the AO. This means that leaders feel the pulse of the local populace, understand their motivations and care about what they want and need. Genuine compassion and empathy for the population provide an effective weapon against insurgents. </p></blockquote>
<p>You can&#8217;t do this if your emphasis is on &#8220;force protection,&#8221; and indeed as stated above such an emphasis is counterproductive, as counterintuitive as that may sound.    Now, I understand that it&#8217;s easy for me to sit here and type these words, never having served myself.  And I&#8217;m not an original thinker here; all I&#8217;m doing is relaying what other more learned and experienced men and women have said.</p>
<p>Earning the trust of the people is critical to beating an insurgency.  As Lt. Col. (Dr.) David Kilcullen wrote in FM 3-24</p>
<blockquote><p>A-60 &#8230;Whatever else is done, the focus must remain on gaining and maintaining the support of the population. With their support, victory is assured; without it, COIN efforts cannot succeed.</p></blockquote>
<p>My .02</p>
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		<title>By: Alden Pyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alden Pyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interseting weapons the &quot;army guys&#039; are carrying.

Big dude on the far left looks like he&#039;s got an M-16 with a shorty stock,  Eotech Halo Sight, some custom hardware but I can&#039;t see a barrel past the hand guard.  fuzzy pic or is that a big honkin&#039; 6.5?

And army guy next to Brandon seems to be sporting an AR pistol.

Nice CQB kit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interseting weapons the &#8220;army guys&#8217; are carrying.</p>
<p>Big dude on the far left looks like he&#8217;s got an M-16 with a shorty stock,  Eotech Halo Sight, some custom hardware but I can&#8217;t see a barrel past the hand guard.  fuzzy pic or is that a big honkin&#8217; 6.5?</p>
<p>And army guy next to Brandon seems to be sporting an AR pistol.</p>
<p>Nice CQB kit.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://freerangeinternational.com/blog/?p=904#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff.  So would you care to speculate about what a few of these scenarios would look like, that would kick things off in Afghanistan?  I know in Iraq, bombings were being used to create sectarian violence with the hopes of starting a civil war there. Will this tactic work in Afghanistan? Thanks. S/F</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff.  So would you care to speculate about what a few of these scenarios would look like, that would kick things off in Afghanistan?  I know in Iraq, bombings were being used to create sectarian violence with the hopes of starting a civil war there. Will this tactic work in Afghanistan? Thanks. S/F</p>
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		<title>By: babatim</title>
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		<dc:creator>babatim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leonid,
I think I might have addressed this in the &quot;Traveling in the North&quot; post but what is happening with the people up there is interesting.

We saw consistent reporting over the past two years that the warlords of the north were re-arming.  That was reflected in a drop in the amount of weapons being collected in the joint UN Afghan government disarming and demobilize program which had been considered a success up till that point.

Now you see a climb in AOG (armed opposition group) incidents combined with high levels of armed criminality plaguing all the northern Provinces.  The villagers up there will tell any international who cares to listen that it is grossly unfair to let the Pashtun in the south benefit from a booming poppy crop while simultaneously trying to disarm them.  They will point to the criminality and AOG incident rate as proof that their early cooperation with the UN/AF Gov program has left them at the mercy of their traditional enemies who have grown stronger and now enjoy unlimited access to money and weapons.  These feeling are aggravated by the snails pace of reconstruction, then further aggravated by a central government who most people feel are more lawless than the old Taliban and one which offers them no protection or services.

Add to that mix the feeling that Karzai is trying to marginalize their leaders - specifically Gen Dostum and his Lieutenants and what you have is a recipe for Civil War.  It is impossible for us - security guys like me I should say - to gauge how serious a problem this is.  Only the Embassy and our Intelligence agencies would be able to know that and I hope they do.

Amongst the international community working here the conventional wisdom is that the leaders in the north are using these grievances as leverage for getting more money and attention from both Kabul and the donor nations. I&#039;m pretty sure we are reading the tea leaves correctly on this issue but if we aren&#039;t....things could go very wrong very fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leonid,<br />
I think I might have addressed this in the &#8220;Traveling in the North&#8221; post but what is happening with the people up there is interesting.</p>
<p>We saw consistent reporting over the past two years that the warlords of the north were re-arming.  That was reflected in a drop in the amount of weapons being collected in the joint UN Afghan government disarming and demobilize program which had been considered a success up till that point.</p>
<p>Now you see a climb in AOG (armed opposition group) incidents combined with high levels of armed criminality plaguing all the northern Provinces.  The villagers up there will tell any international who cares to listen that it is grossly unfair to let the Pashtun in the south benefit from a booming poppy crop while simultaneously trying to disarm them.  They will point to the criminality and AOG incident rate as proof that their early cooperation with the UN/AF Gov program has left them at the mercy of their traditional enemies who have grown stronger and now enjoy unlimited access to money and weapons.  These feeling are aggravated by the snails pace of reconstruction, then further aggravated by a central government who most people feel are more lawless than the old Taliban and one which offers them no protection or services.</p>
<p>Add to that mix the feeling that Karzai is trying to marginalize their leaders &#8211; specifically Gen Dostum and his Lieutenants and what you have is a recipe for Civil War.  It is impossible for us &#8211; security guys like me I should say &#8211; to gauge how serious a problem this is.  Only the Embassy and our Intelligence agencies would be able to know that and I hope they do.</p>
<p>Amongst the international community working here the conventional wisdom is that the leaders in the north are using these grievances as leverage for getting more money and attention from both Kabul and the donor nations. I&#8217;m pretty sure we are reading the tea leaves correctly on this issue but if we aren&#8217;t&#8230;.things could go very wrong very fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Cannoneer No. 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cannoneer No. 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5327683.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Taleban tax: allied supply convoys pay their enemies for safe passage&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;A security company owner explained that a vast array of security companies competed for the trade along the main route south of Kabul, some of it commercial traffic and some supplying Western bases, usually charging about $1,000 (£665) a lorry. Convoys are typically of 40-50 lorries but sometimes up to 100.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt; “I won&#039;t name the company, but they are from the Panjshir Valley [in north Afghanistan]. But they have a very good relation with the Taleban. The Taleban come and move with the convoy. They sit in the front vehicle of the convoy to ensure security,” said the company chief.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5327683.ece" rel="nofollow">Taleban tax: allied supply convoys pay their enemies for safe passage</a></p>
<p><i>A security company owner explained that a vast array of security companies competed for the trade along the main route south of Kabul, some of it commercial traffic and some supplying Western bases, usually charging about $1,000 (£665) a lorry. Convoys are typically of 40-50 lorries but sometimes up to 100.</i></p>
<p><i> “I won&#8217;t name the company, but they are from the Panjshir Valley [in north Afghanistan]. But they have a very good relation with the Taleban. The Taleban come and move with the convoy. They sit in the front vehicle of the convoy to ensure security,” said the company chief.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Leonid</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir,

Never have thought to find this kind of input on current affairs in Afghanistan. Regards for giving us a chance to see it with Your eyes. If You do have the time and will to explain the current state of relations between the North and South parts of the country and their respective residents, please kindly do so.
How had the death of Ahmad Shah Massud affect the north? Anyone that can stand up for his man as he did? With the Taliban creeping back (if such) how are the norh folks reacting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,</p>
<p>Never have thought to find this kind of input on current affairs in Afghanistan. Regards for giving us a chance to see it with Your eyes. If You do have the time and will to explain the current state of relations between the North and South parts of the country and their respective residents, please kindly do so.<br />
How had the death of Ahmad Shah Massud affect the north? Anyone that can stand up for his man as he did? With the Taliban creeping back (if such) how are the norh folks reacting?</p>
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		<title>By: battleignorance</title>
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		<dc:creator>battleignorance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim San,
Some of the people working in Afghanistan have had about enough of the risk aversion that paralysis current military operations.  I do understand from the military side of things that losing people is not preferred but think about it.  They &#039;force&#039; roads in areas where the locals want no part of development and does their reason for not wanting it really matter?  It is STILL the AFGHANs country, right?  Or do we continue to barricade ourselves in COPs and FOBs hoping that things change?  If US lives are as precious is we make them out to be then why do act the way we do brining undue attention to ourselves while continuing to piss off the locals?  My solution is, &quot;Contractor COIN&quot;. Less people more qualified and less risk adverse than military leader to get out amongst the populous and local leaders, not the higher strata ones that are lining their pockets with Uncle Sugar&#039;s sweet milk from his teat.... and actually make a difference in Aghanistan as opposed to waging a one year war for 7 (+) years and showing no immediate signs of stability, development, (I love this buzz word that is bastardized constantly) &#039;capacity&#039; we get things moving at a more rapid rate.  The Afghans know that as long as the incursion remains manageable by the US military that we will continue to dump millions (+ or -) a couple of billion into corrupt leaders&#039; pockets in order for the US to feel good about ourselves.  How about turning the issue over to those who don&#039;t mind being here for the $$ and allow professionals to do what they are here to do.  It would be performance based so if you don&#039;t perform your time is done.  Much less resources would be required and the bureaucracy would be minimized.  Would there be some scandals?  of course their would but aren&#039;t there always?  Oh, I know why it wouldn&#039;t happen  There wouldn&#039;t be a chance to reward those serving in Kabul who do nothing but quagmire the process and have no idea that there is actually conflict going on outside of their disillusioned reality...  What was I thinking?  I encourage discourse regarding this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim San,<br />
Some of the people working in Afghanistan have had about enough of the risk aversion that paralysis current military operations.  I do understand from the military side of things that losing people is not preferred but think about it.  They &#8216;force&#8217; roads in areas where the locals want no part of development and does their reason for not wanting it really matter?  It is STILL the AFGHANs country, right?  Or do we continue to barricade ourselves in COPs and FOBs hoping that things change?  If US lives are as precious is we make them out to be then why do act the way we do brining undue attention to ourselves while continuing to piss off the locals?  My solution is, &#8220;Contractor COIN&#8221;. Less people more qualified and less risk adverse than military leader to get out amongst the populous and local leaders, not the higher strata ones that are lining their pockets with Uncle Sugar&#8217;s sweet milk from his teat&#8230;. and actually make a difference in Aghanistan as opposed to waging a one year war for 7 (+) years and showing no immediate signs of stability, development, (I love this buzz word that is bastardized constantly) &#8216;capacity&#8217; we get things moving at a more rapid rate.  The Afghans know that as long as the incursion remains manageable by the US military that we will continue to dump millions (+ or -) a couple of billion into corrupt leaders&#8217; pockets in order for the US to feel good about ourselves.  How about turning the issue over to those who don&#8217;t mind being here for the $$ and allow professionals to do what they are here to do.  It would be performance based so if you don&#8217;t perform your time is done.  Much less resources would be required and the bureaucracy would be minimized.  Would there be some scandals?  of course their would but aren&#8217;t there always?  Oh, I know why it wouldn&#8217;t happen  There wouldn&#8217;t be a chance to reward those serving in Kabul who do nothing but quagmire the process and have no idea that there is actually conflict going on outside of their disillusioned reality&#8230;  What was I thinking?  I encourage discourse regarding this topic.</p>
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