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		<title>By: Mell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timmy,
    Long time Brother.  Rut hooked me up with your website.  We need to talk soonest.  I&#039;m inbound to KAF this weekend and would like a sit down (I know it&#039;s way out of your AO).  Got a lot to catch up on.  I&#039;ll be returning in a few months with a lot of our friends.  More soonest!!

Mellie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timmy,<br />
    Long time Brother.  Rut hooked me up with your website.  We need to talk soonest.  I&#8217;m inbound to KAF this weekend and would like a sit down (I know it&#8217;s way out of your AO).  Got a lot to catch up on.  I&#8217;ll be returning in a few months with a lot of our friends.  More soonest!!</p>
<p>Mellie</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://freerangeinternational.com/blog/?p=961#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Tim-
I know of a company that operates out of kuwait that opperates mostly at night. Unfortunately this led to one incident where the US Army shot them up when they saw them coming down the other side of the highway towards them. They fired back and both sides suffered casualties before everyone realized who the other was. I think that running at night would be a safer option if you have como with other forces in the area and had some way of recognising each other at distance through night vision, IR Strobes, IR Chem lights, or some kind of other unique marker that would be hard to forge or duplicate by the less than friendly forces. Otherwise I would go as low profile as possible. Did you hear about the guys who used a old trash truck to transport people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Tim-<br />
I know of a company that operates out of kuwait that opperates mostly at night. Unfortunately this led to one incident where the US Army shot them up when they saw them coming down the other side of the highway towards them. They fired back and both sides suffered casualties before everyone realized who the other was. I think that running at night would be a safer option if you have como with other forces in the area and had some way of recognising each other at distance through night vision, IR Strobes, IR Chem lights, or some kind of other unique marker that would be hard to forge or duplicate by the less than friendly forces. Otherwise I would go as low profile as possible. Did you hear about the guys who used a old trash truck to transport people?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 04:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Tim.  I saw that video a few months ago, shortly after I returned from Afghanistan, and it actually pissed me off.  My PMT never fired a warning shot.  The local guys from 7th Group shot more people unnecessarily than anyone I had heard of in country (including two Afghan Policemen, one of whom survived a .50 caliber hit to the upper right chest, if you can believe that.)  They were in the same area as us, based out of the same firebase.  As a matter of fact, after one such incident where they fired a warning shot in an area where we never had any contact, a single bullet appeared days later in the windshield of an 82nd humvee.  One bullet, right in front of the battalion commander&#039;s face.  None after that.  Tit for tat was the way we saw it.

We moved often at night, and felt perfectly safe.  We used our headlights, as there was occasional Afghan local traffic and their headlights would wash out our nods.

Long story short, shooting caused more problems than it solved.  We got in fights, but never with anyone who we were passing on the road.  In some areas we waived traffic over, but that was usually on the one-lane roads.  Most Afghans will pull over and slow down if not stop.  We never saw fit to shoot at them, and it worked well for us.  As time went on, we would just pick our way through even Kabul traffic rather than make a big to-do about it, and that worked well, too.

Keep it up, Tim!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Tim.  I saw that video a few months ago, shortly after I returned from Afghanistan, and it actually pissed me off.  My PMT never fired a warning shot.  The local guys from 7th Group shot more people unnecessarily than anyone I had heard of in country (including two Afghan Policemen, one of whom survived a .50 caliber hit to the upper right chest, if you can believe that.)  They were in the same area as us, based out of the same firebase.  As a matter of fact, after one such incident where they fired a warning shot in an area where we never had any contact, a single bullet appeared days later in the windshield of an 82nd humvee.  One bullet, right in front of the battalion commander&#8217;s face.  None after that.  Tit for tat was the way we saw it.</p>
<p>We moved often at night, and felt perfectly safe.  We used our headlights, as there was occasional Afghan local traffic and their headlights would wash out our nods.</p>
<p>Long story short, shooting caused more problems than it solved.  We got in fights, but never with anyone who we were passing on the road.  In some areas we waived traffic over, but that was usually on the one-lane roads.  Most Afghans will pull over and slow down if not stop.  We never saw fit to shoot at them, and it worked well for us.  As time went on, we would just pick our way through even Kabul traffic rather than make a big to-do about it, and that worked well, too.</p>
<p>Keep it up, Tim!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim-

Do you know anything about the reliability, truthfulness, and political inclination of the &quot;Frontier Post&quot; published in Peshawar?  Available online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim-</p>
<p>Do you know anything about the reliability, truthfulness, and political inclination of the &#8220;Frontier Post&#8221; published in Peshawar?  Available online.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim-

Excellent article and greatly appreciated.  I do have two questions.

You write that the Taliban &quot;are not Al Queda&quot; and they understand that the populace will absorb only so much abuse before they &quot;tip.&quot;  I understand that Karzai&#039;s government is failing miserably and the people are desperate for some measure of order even if it comes at a cost, e.g., the Taliban system, meaning strict Shariah.  What is the evidence of restraint on the part of the Taliban which indicates that they in any fashion moderate their authoritarian and brutal behavior (relative terms, I understand) when they are in control of a region?

Secondly, what hope is there for any eventual success in the military effort when there seems to be so little secular influence in the country?  That is, Afghans seem tribal, divided, largely uneducated (and both the educated and uneducated corrupt) but, above all, Islamic.  Does not Islam militate against the establishment of any sort of polity which we would consider an adequate outcome for the costs of this war?  How should the ISAF or the US deal with this?

The above may seem like more than two questions but there are really only two.

I hope you and your colleagues have a memorable and safe Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim-</p>
<p>Excellent article and greatly appreciated.  I do have two questions.</p>
<p>You write that the Taliban &#8220;are not Al Queda&#8221; and they understand that the populace will absorb only so much abuse before they &#8220;tip.&#8221;  I understand that Karzai&#8217;s government is failing miserably and the people are desperate for some measure of order even if it comes at a cost, e.g., the Taliban system, meaning strict Shariah.  What is the evidence of restraint on the part of the Taliban which indicates that they in any fashion moderate their authoritarian and brutal behavior (relative terms, I understand) when they are in control of a region?</p>
<p>Secondly, what hope is there for any eventual success in the military effort when there seems to be so little secular influence in the country?  That is, Afghans seem tribal, divided, largely uneducated (and both the educated and uneducated corrupt) but, above all, Islamic.  Does not Islam militate against the establishment of any sort of polity which we would consider an adequate outcome for the costs of this war?  How should the ISAF or the US deal with this?</p>
<p>The above may seem like more than two questions but there are really only two.</p>
<p>I hope you and your colleagues have a memorable and safe Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: RangersGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>RangersGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 03:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would traveling at night be more dangerous in Afghanistan because of the terrain - - Iraq its seems like most stuff is flat - - if you go off the road you aren&#039;t going off a cliff.  Doing movements at night is not new - - I thought they did this in Korea, Japan and Germany for the very reason to not snarl local traffic.

I was wondering, can the military set up some kind of &quot;caution&quot; signs a little further up the road in situations like this so people know to slow down?  Or would this big way to big of a telegraph for Taliban or insurgents?  You can&#039;t stop a vehicle on a dime -- especially if you are driving fast.  Seemed like the drivers were noticing the security at about the same time the guy or gal was sending a warning shot down range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would traveling at night be more dangerous in Afghanistan because of the terrain &#8211; - Iraq its seems like most stuff is flat &#8211; - if you go off the road you aren&#8217;t going off a cliff.  Doing movements at night is not new &#8211; - I thought they did this in Korea, Japan and Germany for the very reason to not snarl local traffic.</p>
<p>I was wondering, can the military set up some kind of &#8220;caution&#8221; signs a little further up the road in situations like this so people know to slow down?  Or would this big way to big of a telegraph for Taliban or insurgents?  You can&#8217;t stop a vehicle on a dime &#8212; especially if you are driving fast.  Seemed like the drivers were noticing the security at about the same time the guy or gal was sending a warning shot down range.</p>
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		<title>By: David M</title>
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		<dc:creator>David M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the blog post &lt;a href=&quot;http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/12/from-front-12222008.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;From the Front: 12/22/2008 &lt;/a&gt; News and Personal dispatches from the front and the home front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the blog post <a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/12/from-front-12222008.html" rel="nofollow">From the Front: 12/22/2008 </a> News and Personal dispatches from the front and the home front.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom the Redhunter</title>
		<link>http://freerangeinternational.com/blog/?p=961#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom the Redhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim wrote &lt;em&gt;&quot;If the moving amongst the civilians is unacceptably risky, then all our convoys should consider moving at night – there is little to no civilian traffic anywhere in Afghanistan after 2100 hours.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

In Iraq we move most of our convoys at night.  See the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=4309&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oct 23 2008 interview&lt;/a&gt;
 with USMC Maj. Gen. John Kelly (commanding general, Multinational Forces-West) in which he said

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;We started a share-the-road program where no longer would Iraqi traffic have to do anything particularly different when they came upon military convoys. That was a big change. Moved most of our convoys -- I think something on the order of 95 percent of all military movements, administrative, logistics movements, and that includes the contract convoys -- they all move late at night, certainly after 21:00 or 9:00 at night and they&#039;re off the roads by 5:00 a.m. The average Iraqi, of course, is home in bed in at that particular point in time, so they don&#039;t even see much traffic, much military activity in the province anymore.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure about the rest of Iraq but would imagine that they do likewise.

As such, I wonder; do the units in Iraq and Afghanistan exchange ideas?   I fear they don&#039;t. What insight do you have into this, Tim?

When Petraeus too over at MNF-Iraq, he and Odierno insisted that the units under their command coordinate better, exchange ideas, etc.   Hopefully now that Petraeus is at CENTCOM we&#039;ll see more of that between ISAF/OEF and MNF-Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim wrote <em>&#8220;If the moving amongst the civilians is unacceptably risky, then all our convoys should consider moving at night – there is little to no civilian traffic anywhere in Afghanistan after 2100 hours.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>In Iraq we move most of our convoys at night.  See the <a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=4309" rel="nofollow">Oct 23 2008 interview</a><br />
 with USMC Maj. Gen. John Kelly (commanding general, Multinational Forces-West) in which he said</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We started a share-the-road program where no longer would Iraqi traffic have to do anything particularly different when they came upon military convoys. That was a big change. Moved most of our convoys &#8212; I think something on the order of 95 percent of all military movements, administrative, logistics movements, and that includes the contract convoys &#8212; they all move late at night, certainly after 21:00 or 9:00 at night and they&#8217;re off the roads by 5:00 a.m. The average Iraqi, of course, is home in bed in at that particular point in time, so they don&#8217;t even see much traffic, much military activity in the province anymore.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about the rest of Iraq but would imagine that they do likewise.</p>
<p>As such, I wonder; do the units in Iraq and Afghanistan exchange ideas?   I fear they don&#8217;t. What insight do you have into this, Tim?</p>
<p>When Petraeus too over at MNF-Iraq, he and Odierno insisted that the units under their command coordinate better, exchange ideas, etc.   Hopefully now that Petraeus is at CENTCOM we&#8217;ll see more of that between ISAF/OEF and MNF-Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Cannoneer No. 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cannoneer No. 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the headline now.

&lt;b&gt;Troops Ordered Not To Defend Themselves Against Suicide Bombers&lt;/b&gt;

You can bet the 15-6 investigation will mention any standard Force Protection measures the convoy commander failed to implement if anything bad happens.

Night movement whenever possible is a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the headline now.</p>
<p><b>Troops Ordered Not To Defend Themselves Against Suicide Bombers</b></p>
<p>You can bet the 15-6 investigation will mention any standard Force Protection measures the convoy commander failed to implement if anything bad happens.</p>
<p>Night movement whenever possible is a good idea.</p>
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